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Please lower the technical threshold for initiating motion proposals. 双语


 
# Please lower the technical threshold for initiating motion proposals.

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## about me:[ysyms.icp](https://ysyms.icp.page/)

## Objective
1.Request DFINITY to lower the technical threshold for initiating proposals
2.Increase community participation in motion proposals

## Background and Motivation for the proposal
As a non-developer, I learned WSL, I learned linux, I learned dfx, I learned keysmith, I learned quill, I learned markdown, I encountered various symbol errors and version conflicts, and the ICP wiki does not explain what is markdown, it should How to use, for which I lost two ICP (please check [52537](https://dashboard.internetcomputer.org/proposal/52537) proposal and [52214](https://dashboard.internetcomputer.org/proposal/ 52214) proposal). And all this is just to send a piece of text with a format to NNS, can not it be implemented in the front end of NNS?

Dominic, can you see that? You said NNS is the most advanced DAO in the world, you said ICP will reshape Internet services. But the DAO that controls the ICP is keeping all non-developers out. Does the most advanced DAO in the world allow ordinary investors and users to initiate motion proposals? This shit-initiating proposal process is sabotaging it all and DFINITY needs to act on it!

## Voting explanation

1: If you think DFINITY should lower the technical threshold for initiating proposals, please vote "yes"
2: if you think the process of initiating a proposal should remain as it is,Please vote "no"
3: If you think the proposal is irrelevant, please vote "no"

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# 请降低发起治理提案的技术门槛

## 关于我:[ysyms.icp](https://ysyms.icp.page/)

## 目标

1.请求DFINITY降低发起提案的技术门槛

2.提升社区对动议提案的参与度

## 背景和提案动机

作为一个非开发者，我学了WSL学习了linux我学习了dfx我学习了keysmith我学习了quill我学习了markdown，遇到了各种符号错误与版本冲突，ICP wiki也没有解释什么markdown，它应该如何使用，为此我损失了两个ICP(请检查[52537](https://dashboard.internetcomputer.org/proposal/52537)提案和[52214](https://dashboard.internetcomputer.org/proposal/52214)提案)。而这一切不过是为了向NNS发送一段带有格式的文字，难道在NNS前端不能实现吗？

大裁缝你能看到吗？您说过NNS是世界上最先进的DAO，您说过ICP将重构互联网服务。可是控制着ICP的DAO正在把所有非开发者挡在门外，难道世界上最先进的DAO不允许普通投资人和用户发起动议提案吗？这个狗屎提案发起程序正在破坏这一切，DFINITY需要为此做出行动！

## 投票说明
1:如果您认为DFINITY应该降低发起提案的技术门槛请投"yes"
2:如果您认为发起提案的流程应该保持现状请投"no"
3:如果您认为该提案如您无关请投"no"

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# What is "Frequently initiated motion proposal period lasting seven days"

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## 0.self introduction

Hello everyone, I am ysyms and also a youtuber following icp. This is my ICNS home page:[ysyms.icp.page](ysyms.icp.page)

## 1. Objective

1.Increase participation in motion proposals
2.Increase the daily return of neurons participating in motion proposals

## 2. Background and Motivation for the proposal

1.Even though dfinity has started voting, the voting participation for motion-type proposals is still less than 50%.
2. In a typical week, the total weight of exchange rate proposals will be roughly 10 (144 * 7 * 0.01) and maintenance proposals will add up to a weight in the range of 5 to 30（Data source: Proposal 34485），And each governance proposal has a weight of 20。The total weight of proposals other than motion proposals is around 30 each week
3. The cost of initiating a governance proposal is 1 icp .(or 0 if executed)
4. Daily neuron rewards are correlated with weights

In summary: We only need to initiate two motion proposals every day, then the weekly motion proposals can account for about 90% of the total weight, and neurons that actively vote will receive 90% of all additional ICPs issued by NNS as revenue. According to the first point, less than 50% of neurons participate in voting on governance proposals, so I only need to spend 2 ICP per day to increase the daily return from 0.059% to about 0.106%, This will increase the revenue of neurons participating in the motion proposal by 1.8 times(that is you), and all this requires only 2 ICPs and typing some commands, which is a great thing, Do not you think?

This will be profitable for the whales of the icp, I do not understand why no one is doing it, maybe it is because my understanding of NNS is a bit wrong. So I will verify it in the next seven days.

## 3. I will do 

Regardless of whether the proposal is passed or not, for the next 7 days, I will publish two motion proposals per day on NNS to verify the correctness of the conclusion.

I pay attention to IC and its ecological development every day, and I will try to send some meaningful proposals. sorry to bother you

## 4. common problem

1.Is this unfair to neurons that do not vote?
I think it is fair. NNS is a governance system. If a neuron is only for passive income, does not care about the change of weight, does not care about the governance of IC, and even is unwilling to follow a neuron to vote, then it should not get income, let alone get more More power to control ICP.So I think it is more beneficial for ICP to launch two motion proposals every day. This can greatly increase the voting willingness of neurons, improve the enthusiasm of the community, and allow ICP to be issued to those who actively participate in governance.

Please check the 52214 proposal, dfinity and ica and icpmn and cycledao.xyz all voted "no", but even then the participation rate of the whole proposal is still less than 50%. We may never use an "absolute majority".

2.Can this be avoided by raising the threshold for initiating proposals?
Maybe that can stop me, but not the giant whale. This will only make the NNS dictatorial.

3.Can this be avoided by lowering the weight of motion proposals?
Maybe, for reference: Before the weight of the governance proposal was increased, the voting participation of the governance proposal was only about 10%.

## 5.Epilogue

Please forgive me for using such a strange tone and format to initiate a proposal, I am a high school student not a developer, not familiar with markdown, bad english, use google translate, sorry

14 ICPs are enough for my living expenses for one month. Within seven days, if you agree with my point of view or benefit from it, please actively participate in governance

If you think the proposal process is too cumbersome, you can transfer the ICP to this address: `a367ed0ae66218194aafc9fb484dd78cc78fa28b57f4cc69b106e6aafd7403ea`, as long as the account has enough balance to initiate a proposal, then I will insist on sending two motion proposals every day.You can also tell me the motion proposal you want to send through the following methods, and I will submit it to NNS for you (if you can accept me using google translate to communicate with you):[ysyms.icp.page](ysyms.icp.page)

During this period, my income will not increase by 14 ICP because I only have neurons with a total of 100+ ICP.
Please check my personal account: Neuron ID `12860062727199510685`
NNS principal id: `zv4kb-45wuz-qvpxc-ignbt-uuwzn-xggbt-bx2hx-kelhr-miohk-yrxk3-cae`
STOIC pricipal id: `p7fwn-3oojv-waybp-z6agf-jn3at-lj3nt-tb557-qy3tt-tvuel-2np3y-2qe`
(ICP is purchased at a price of 50-76USDT. But thanks to the NFT on the ICP chain, thanks to btcflower, so that I will not have no money to eat 🤣)

ICP donation: `6d139f4193f3c17d654afde57869ba8e53ee4e70141e3d0cd3f1bfe80c279ce3`

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# 持续7天的频繁动议提案期

## 0.个人介绍

哈喽大家好我是ysyms，一个专注于ICP的youtuber。这是我的ICNS主页：[ysyms.icp.page](ysyms.icp.page)

## 1. 目标

1.提高动议提案的参与度
2.提高参与动议提案神经元的投票奖励

## 2. 提案的背景和动机

1.在动议提案的权重提高之后，即使dfinity已经开始投票，动议提案的投票参与度依然不足50%，
2.在提案权重更改后，每周后的汇率提案总权重为10，每周维护提案的总权重将在5到30之间（数据来源于34485提案），而每个动议提案的权重为20。每周除动议类型以外的提案总权重为30左右
3.发起一个动议提案的成本为1个icp（如果得到执行那么将是0成本）
4.每日神经元奖励根据权重来分配

综上所述：我们只需要每天发起两个动议提案那么每周的动议提案就可以占到90%左右的总权重，积极投票的神经元将获得NNS所有增发ICP的百分之90%作为收益。根据第一点，参与动议提案投票的神经元只有不到50%，所以我每天只需要花费2个icp的成本就可以将0.059%的日收益增加到0.106%左右，这会使积极投票的神经元（也就是你们）的收益提升1.8倍，而这一切只需要2个icp和输入一些命令，这是一件很伟大的事，你觉得呢？

这对icp的鲸鱼来说这将有利可图，我不明白为什么没有人这样做，也许是因为我对NNS的理解有些错误。所以我将在接下来的七天内验证它。

## 3. 我将要做 

不管该提案是否通过，在接下来的7天中我都将会在NNS每天发表两个动议提案用于验证结论的正确性
我每天都在关注IC及其生态发展，我会尽量发一些有意义的提案。打扰了抱歉

## 4. 常见问题

这对不投票的神经元很不公平吗？
我认为这很公平。NNS是一个治理系统，如果一个神经元只为了被动收益，不关心权重的更改，不关心IC的治理，甚至不愿意去随手跟随一个神经元投票，那么它不应该获得收益，更不应该获得更多控制ICP的权力。所以我认为目前每天发起两个动议提案对ICP来说是利大于弊的，这可以很大程度上增加神经元的投票意愿，提高社区积极性，并让ICP增发给积极参治理的人。
请检查52214提案，dfinity和ica和icpmn和cycledao.xyz都投了"no"，但即便如次整个提案的参与度仍然不足50%。我们也许永远用不到"绝对多数"。

这可以通过提高发起提案的门槛来避免吗？
也许可以避免我，但无法避免巨鲸，也会让治理变得更加独裁

这可以通过降低动议提案的权重来避免吗？
也许吧，参考：在动议提案的权重得到提升前，动议提案的投票参与度只有百分之十左右。

## 5.结语

请原谅我使用那么奇怪的格式发起提案，我是一个高中生并非开发者，今天刚学会了一点markdown，抱歉

14个icp足够我一个月生活费了，七天内，如果您因此获利或认同我的观点，请积极的提出和表决动议提案。

如果您认为提案流程过于繁琐，可以向该地址转入ICP： `a367ed0ae66218194aafc9fb484dd78cc78fa28b57f4cc69b106e6aafd7403ea`，只要该账户的余额足够发起提案，那么以后我将每天坚持发两个动议提案。您也可以在转入ICP后将您想发的动议提案通过以下方式告诉我，我会帮你提交到NNS: [ysyms.icp.page](ysyms.icp.page)

在此期间，我的收入不会增加 14 ICP，因为我只有总额100多个ICP的神经元。
（请检查我的个人账户：
神经元ID `12860062727199510685 `
NNS principal id :`zv4kb-45wuz-qvpxc-ignbt-uuwzn-xggbt-bx2hx-kelhr-miohk-yrxk3-cae`
STOIC pricipal id :`p7fwn-3oojv-waybp-z6agf-jn3at-lj3nt-tb557-qy3tt-tvuel-2np3y-2qe`
ICP以50-76USDT的价格购买。但感谢ICP链上的NFTs，让我不至于没钱买老坛酸菜牛肉面）


ICP捐赠:`6d139f4193f3c17d654afde57869ba8e53ee4e70141e3d0cd3f1bfe80c279ce3`



